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    • #263
      Rob O
      Participant

      I would appreciate if someone could educate me on what is the difference between Marriott:Legacy PointsTrust PointsDestinations PointsI know the difference between Destinations and Rewards......but Legacy is a new term to me and I thought Trust and Destinations were the sameHELP PLEASE....thank you!

    • #774
      Fasttr
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      Trust points are points that are purchased directly from MVC, or via the resale market, that are supported by beneficial interests in the Trust.  Legacy Points are points that are received by an Enrolled weeks owner, that converted their owned week into points for any given year.  Trust and Legacy points are both Destination Points, they are just obtained via two different pathways.  For all practical purposes, at this point in time, Trust and Legacy points will work identically in the system, and can be comingled to secure a reservation.  There are, on very rare instances, certain weeks in the 13 month advanced reservation window can only be obtained via Trust points, but again, those are very rare instances.  If you are booking in the 12 month window or closer, nobody has reported any difference in type of point used.    I own Trust points, but I usually rent Legacy points as they are more abundant to rent.  I have had no problem securing reservations with a combination of both.  Hope that helps.

    • #775
      Rob O
      Participant

      Thanks Fasttr, excellent response.Interesting point about the instances where there may be additional inventory (albeit "rare") when Trust points may have more access than Legacy points. I am wondering if you or anyone else may know of specific circumstances? My biggest interest is the Marriott Surf Club in Aruba.

    • #776
      Fasttr
      Participant

      The way they system works is there are certain weeks owned by the Trust.  There are also weeks (likely many more weeks) that are available via Enrolled weeks owners electing to deposit their week into the Destinations program to obtain points to use in the program.  Then there is an Exchange Company (run my MVC) that manages the internal MVC reservation system, etc.  Once a week hits the Exchange Company inventory, it can be booked via Trust or Legacy points.  ALL enrolled weeks turned into points in any given year are immediately put into the Exchange inventory (again, that is most of the weeks available).  Also, from my observations, and others on TUG, it appears that all inventory in the Trust is moved into the Exchange at the 12 month mark.  Again, once in the Exchange, either points work.  At the opening of the 13 month advanced reservation window, some of the inventory (likely a percentage) is moved into the Exchange, but another percentage is left for only Trust owners to book.  It seems almost random as to when you might snag a week from the Trust inventory, and when you get one from the Exchange inventory in that 13 month window.  By reports, the vast majority of ressies in the 13 month window are from the Exchange.  I had a Grande Vista 2BR a couple years ago in the 13 month window that needed Trust points to get it, but other TUGgers (GregT who is a co-owner of Vacation Point Exchange) who has done much more research than I was almost certain that this very rare Maui Ocean Club 3BR unit could only be gotten via Trust points and when he booked it at 13 months, it came from the Exchange inventory... so we are still a little unsure of what is going on behind the scenes.  Do you plan to book in the 13 month window (ie are you Premier or Premier Plus or Standard and plan to pay the 20% point premium) or do you plan to book mostly when the 12 month window opens up.  If at 12 months, you will see no difference in my opinion.     

    • #777
      Rob O
      Participant

      Thanks again for your information, Fasttr.I am a premium owner with about 60% of my holdings being from the trust through a recent purchase. The rest are enrolled "legacy?" from a purchase three years ago. I'm excited to have the new, additional holdings. I intend to take advantage of the 13 month opportunity every chance I get.

    • #778
      Fasttr
      Participant

      Sounds like you will likely be in good shape regardless of the type of points needed.  When you make a reservation and have both types of points available to use, the system gives you the ability to choose which points you want to use for the reservation (either via online system or via calling in).  The online system will suggest an allocation for you, but then below that it will say “We have automatically chosen a recommended use of your Points for this selection, Click Here, to learn more”.  If you click the Click Here link, it will open a window that shows you every single option available to you to allocate your points.  If I were you, when available, I would use my Legacy points fist, so going forward, it maximizes my available Trust points on that rare chance those are needed for any given future ressie.  That of course assumes the Use Year of your available Trust and Legacy points is the same as if you have differing Use Years, it is usually smarter to use points for a Use Year that expires sooner than other points you may have.      Good luck and have fun using those points!!!

    • #779
      Rob O
      Participant

      I love the web site an playing with the points. One last question…..Would banked trust points always be treated as trust points, or, are banked points treated differently?

    • #780
      Fasttr
      Participant

      Banked Trust points are still Trust points, but will be shown to you as Banked Trust points….so its likely at any given point in time you will have several various buckets to manage….You can click the Detailed Summary link under the listing of the points you have to see a breakdown of the various buckets which can be any or all of the following….Trust points (for various Use Years)Banked Trust points (from a prior Use Year)Borrowed Trust points (from a future Use Year)Legacy points (for various Use Years)Banked Legacy points (from a prior Use Year)Borrowed Legacy points (from a future Use Year)Transferred Trust or Transferred Legacy points (these are from "rented" points) - and these do retain their point style (will show as Transferred Trust or Transferred Election (for Legacy) points in your Detailed Point Summary).Since points can only have 1 transaction (banked, borrowed, transferred) before they are stuck, its usually best to use those points that have already had their 1 transaction before you use your "pure" Trust or Legacy points as those retain powers that the other buckets don't still have (ability to bank, etc).

    • #781
      Rob O
      Participant

      Thank you, Fasttr. I learned a lot today…..

    • #782
      Fasttr
      Participant

      No problem.  Glad to help.  I learned a lot here and on TUG as well.  Are you familiar with TUG?  There is a Marriott Timeshare forum there that you can get a lot of info.  Its a very active group and you will get lots of opinions and feedback quickly after posting any question.  In fact, there was a recent thread about renting points that might be of interest to you.  Here is the link…  www.http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217001

    • #783
      Rob O
      Participant

      Excellent site, just joined. Thank you!

    • #784
      phialpha1856
      Participant

      We are enrolled owners and have no trust points.  We would like to know if, for example, renting 2000 points to add to our current 2175 points from Grande Vista will open us up to trust point owners' level of property availability or must we buy trust points to get their level of property availability?  The pitch we heard today was that we'll never have the same level of property availability without buying trust points.  I just want to know if I can rent enough points from someone to get the same level of availability?  Thanks so much! 

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