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    • #135
      TimG
      Participant

      I have a service for Grand Residence Lake Tahoe owners renting their weeks for over 6 years.No that we are part of Destinations Points, I was looking to expand that to selling points and/or reservations at the other MCVI locations. Member Services told me that was OK, but the Disclosure Guide is pretty explicit against commercial usage.Has anyone had or heard of owners getting in trouble with Marriott? I suppose if you keep it on the down-low on boards like this, they probably don't notice, but if you launch a full-blown website and advertise it, that crosses a line?Regardless, I've got essentially an unlimited amount of points beginning in 2014 (some for 2013) available for rent or to book reservations.Regards,Tim

    • #575
      StevenTing
      Keymaster

      I haven't heard of anything.  Marriott doesn't ask why you are transferring points to another owner.What's this disclosure guide you speak of?

    • #576
      TimG
      Participant

      Here's a link to the document they sent today with the enrollment information:http://img.vacationclubsurvey.com/images/comm_design/Enrollment/MVCExchangeCompanyDisclosureGuide.pdfWhich in Term 2 states:Personal Use; Commercial Purposes. Accommodations, Base Exchange Benefits, Base Plus Exchange Benefits, Exchange Benefits, and Use Periods may not be used for any commercial purpose. This prohibition on commercial use includes, but is not limited to, any illegal activity or a pattern of occupancy, rental, leasing, or use by a Member that Exchange Company, in its reasonable discretion, could conclude constitutes a commercial enterprise or practice. In the event a Member is determined to be reserving or using the Accommodations, Base Exchange Benefits, Base Plus Exchange Benefits, Exchange Benefits, and Use Periods for any commercial purpose Exchange Company may immediately cancel any current reservation(s) made by such Member and may impose such additional penalties or restrictions as determined by Exchange Company, in its sole and absolute discretion, from time to time.And this document ...http://img.vacationclubsurvey.com/images/comm_design/Enrollment/MVCExchangeCompanyEnrollmentTermsandConditions.pdfWhich states:c. purchase or use of a membership in the Program for commercial purposes or for any purpose other than the personal vacation use of the Exchange Member or Exchange Member?s authorized guests as described in the Exchange Procedures is expressly prohibited.RENTAL OF ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED THROUGH THE PROGRAM IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED;Of course, like said in the original, it's one thing for an individual owner to fly under the radar and do this a few times a year. It's likely another to be out there advertising it as a service dealing in a million points a year. But, regardless, Marriott appears to have the authority to drop the hammer on anyone.Tim

    • #577
      StevenTing
      Keymaster

      Interesting info.  Well, for the majority of owners, they're not using it as a commercial service but I do see what you're saying.  If I was in the “business” of renting out my points for the purpose of making a profit, that would be a commercial service.  But JoeSchmoe, renting out their points because they can't use them, would not be a commercial purpose.This line is what could probably affect the most people.RENTAL OF ACCOMMODATIONS RESERVED THROUGH THE PROGRAM IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED;

    • #578
      GregT
      Keymaster

      What I think would cause a problem is if someone was renting points from VPEers and then using those points to reserve prime reservations — and then renting out those prime reservations.I believe this is what caused Disney to place some restrictions on the points transfer process (they only allow you to do a single transfer in or out each year).I don't think there is anyone on VPE that is doing that, and I would discourage anyone from trying to do it.  That would clearly be a commercial usage of the program.With respect to the question from the OP, you are definitely welcome (and encouraged) to rent out as many of your points as possible.  I think it would be more of an issue if you made reservations with your points, and then rented those for cash.  But that's an issue independent of the points transfer process (Marriott just wouldn't like that).Good luck, and thanks for the question!Best,Greg

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